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| What kind of training method YOU believe Frieza and Tagoma did to reach their RoF levels?; Share your head canon with me, also relevant for Shisami in the Resurrection 'F' movie | |
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| Hebrew Wolfman | Jan 3 2018, 07:40 PM Post #1 |
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I personally want to believe that Frieza and Tagoma went to train on a planet where nature supplies the same conditions Goku had been through on his way to Namek, the gravity on the planet starts at 10x and on each day it'll grow by 10 times more till it reaches 500x Earth's gravity and then goes back to square one, each of them trained on his own pace and on each night Frieza would've checked his finger beams aim (on a supressed level) at Tagoma who would be retrieved by some robots to the medical machine so he'll be ready for tomorrow (after each time he got a zenkai boost). If they had spent 4 months there it means that they have been there for 120 days where the gravity had reached 500x twice and I'll say that on the remaining 20 days of the gravity restart they've worked out on their battle smarts, learning all the videos/footage Sorbet had gained on the Z-Fighters since their preparations for the Androids till the battle against Majin Buu, studying each and every Z-Fighter's fighting styles and weaknesses, and practicing themselves up against their rivals in a "mind battle" room, where they're forced into sleep while attached to a machine that runs illusions of their rivals and allows them to draw their sheer power against the Z-Fighters (Frieza studies Goku and Future Trunks' moves set while Tagoma focuses on Gohan, Piccolo and Krillin). The results are as follow IMHO: Frieza went from about 490,000 at his "first" form to 53,000,000,000 (rivaling Super Buu's tier which is too much for the rusty Z-Fighters) and Tagoma went from 22,500 to about 5,500,000,000 - 6,000,000,000 at best (rivaling Super Perfect Cell and Dabura). |
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| Tapey | Jan 5 2018, 03:59 AM Post #2 |
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I think Frieza just spent the entire time beating the crap out of Tagoma |
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| Hebrew Wolfman | Jan 5 2018, 08:08 AM Post #3 |
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And this will increase his powers how exactly? It's not like if he'll keep shooting holes through Tagoma he'll grow any stronger, the guy/punching bag was merely a fracture of his power even as a rusty fighter (he claimed his power in his first form was somewhat weaker than it's normal/previous days). |
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| Notaka | Jan 5 2018, 08:53 AM Post #4 |
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I mean that's what everybody does. Just beat the crap of each other. That's "training" in Dragon ball. Tagoma just happened to get stronger from enduring the beating from Frieza. Now I think they maybe did have some kind of special place like a gravity room you mentioned, but as far as I know it hasn't been stated and it's just assumed Frieza was just beating Tagoma until shown otherwise. |
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| Bad User | Jan 5 2018, 12:31 PM Post #5 |
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What was mentioned in the OP, plus taking some of his alien conditions into consideration, like anaerobiosis, lack of sleep (I guess...) and other conditions that we can come up with to adhere to this theory, which allow him to train 24/7 at high levels. Minus an hour of regeneration from time to time, if needed. |
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| superperfectnerd | Jan 5 2018, 03:08 PM Post #6 |
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The gravity training we've seen up to this point must have it's limits. The saiyans were far weaker than Freeza, this is why gravity training was so effective to amp them up at first but even in base form at a level far weaker than Freeza's true form, Vegeta was able to master 300Gs pretty easily, this means that the returns would become reduced because they're already at a level where they can move unstrained in 300Gs, it's not just going to keep increasing their power because they have high potential. In order to rapidly increase in strength they need a radical new training method once mastering the previous, or a super powerful sparring partner because then the stronger they get, the stronger their partner gets and they can just keep getting more and more out of fighting. Tagoma however is far weaker than even first form Freeza, so Freeza isn't really getting anything out of sparring him because it's not an effort and neither would 300Gs be. Freeza can survive anywhere however and we've recently seen in Super, Goku and the androids standing in a black hole attack. So perhaps Freeza can fly into space near a black hole and feel that immense gravity to train his body, or even fly through a star to train by resisting the heat and the cold of space as well. Freeza being able to survive anywhere means he can search out the greatest elements of what the ROSAT provides to greater extremes. Extreme gravity, extreme cold and extreme heat. |
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| Hebrew Wolfman | Jan 5 2018, 09:31 PM Post #7 |
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It's of course relevant/the same case for Shisami in the Resurrection 'F' movie. |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Jan 5 2018, 10:14 PM Post #8 |
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He did what the series described. He had the s*** beaten out him. It's dumb, but it is what it is. |
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| Thiln | Jan 6 2018, 12:54 AM Post #9 |
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In Tagoma's defence, you do have a good precedence for self-harm and pushing one's endurance to their limits with attacks being used during training. Spoiler: click to toggle Granted, with the first example Goku may have been intentionally abusing zenkais. Tagoma's physical body being destroyed so often would hopefully build up his durability. Some of the other theories put forth about Golden Freeza's sojourn into Space is as good of an explanation as any. Although his beating of Tagoma would have required a breathable atmosphere since he can't survive in a vacuum like his leader can. |
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| StrenuousSpider | Jan 6 2018, 01:03 AM Post #10 |
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To us fans we understand that with everything thats put forth freizas gains are ridiculously high. But going off what super has written goku was not much stronger then he was on namik and needs ssj to beat freiza still. So looking at what super has written in terms of statements. frieza mostly trained to unlock golden then he did to get insanely stronger. |
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| superperfectnerd | Jan 6 2018, 02:51 AM Post #11 |
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Acquiring and then growing accustomed to a new form can have major benefits for their base level, that is true. Look at fpssj and how much stronger their bases became. |
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| Hebrew Wolfman | Jan 6 2018, 02:09 PM Post #12 |
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If we go by this DBS logic of being torchered* by someone much more powerful than you in order to jump tiers exponentially, then Yamcha being put to the brink of death (much severally than what Frieza did to Tagoma) by Doctor Gero/Android 20 or Krillin being broken all over by Perfect Cell's kick should've powered them up dramatically once they got senzu bean healed. This method of "training" (with the need to sleep 7 hours per night) could've took the Human Z-Fighters, who were far stronger than the Ginyu Force (a league above Zarbon/Tagoma-tier) if not some nice percentage of DBZ final form Frieza IMHO by the Android Saga, to the initial Majin Buu's level within 155 days (Chiaotzu would've been the only one to be at Majin Vegeta-tier if that's the case of "self-improvement") somewhere in the Buu Saga or in DBS itself (lacking members for the Tournament of Power and reached the point of even eyeing Frieza?). I can see Vegeta doing the hitting job for them (a few hours in the ROSAT will do the job). Too bad Tagoma never got a chance to show his true feats longer (like Shisami got in the movie), his performance was too-rushed to give Ginyu his "comeback". Edited by Hebrew Wolfman, Jan 6 2018, 02:48 PM.
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| Notaka | Jan 6 2018, 04:03 PM Post #13 |
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No because they aren't Saiyans, and unlike Tagoma who was getting his a** beat for 4 months, they got theirs only for an instant There's a difference between getting one shot and surviving continuous beatings for months. Tagoma was knocking on death's door each day for 4 months, while he did get beaten by frieza for these 4 months, It's unlikely he stood there and served as a punching bag. That would have been inefficient to both him and Frieza. It's like in the army, you get stronger if you're put to hell, in that case Tagoma's hell being beaten to a pulp each day by Frieza. I don't see why you try to bring logic to this, Frieza trained for 4 months with Zarbon tier mooks and went from being dominated by Namek Goku to dominating SSJB Goku(who went through decades of training and a god ritual with an immense power boost to boot) is logical, yet somehow Tagoma getting stronger by surviving beatdowns from Frieza which in itself is reasonable is illogical? Edited by Notaka, Jan 6 2018, 04:07 PM.
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| Hebrew Wolfman | Jan 6 2018, 04:24 PM Post #14 |
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I said that Yamcha and Krillin should've gotten at the very least stronger from those major downfalls, Tagoma is not a Saiyan as well but I bet that each downfall/knocking on Yemma's door he got did increased his power level for him to skyrocket/climb each day from a Zarbon-tier mook to someone even Super Namekian Piccolo after decades of battle experience wasn't a match for. I'm trying to bring logic to this cause it's plain stupid two characters everyone didn't cared about/bothered to be afraid of suddenly managed to do a complete change (no Ginyu pun intended) within 4 months, it's like all Frieza ever needed to do in order to vaporize Kid Buu till there was nothing left and be the top mortal in the universe was to just punch someone who is about 1/23 strong as his first suppressed form and if that lackey would've survived he'll be making the king of the Demon Realm or Super Perfect Cell his equal. |
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| Notaka | Jan 7 2018, 06:00 PM Post #15 |
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When did yamcha or Krillin have these major downfalls? I don't remember them being beaten to a pulp, within inches away from death each day for 4 months. They either get one shot(like Yamcha against 20/Krillin against Cell) or outright die. and if they did get beaten, it isn't consistently for 4 months. You make a point about him suddenly reaching Piccolo's level, but I find it more believable than jumping to God level where you were below Namek SSJ level
The problem is you're trying to bring logic to something that can't be reasoned with logic, No matter what kind of training there's no way Frieza would reach god level's within mere months. I don't think even his lifetime would be enough, yet he was able to achieve god level and surpass that where as Goku had decades for training and underwent a ritual and yet is considered a prodigy on his own. They never stated what kind of training he did, only that he beat up Tagoma for 4 months which made him god level and somewhat Tagoma into high tier cell games level. |
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